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I've been wanting to have a visit with

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you for a long time

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I hear back from Mexico

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yes I've been back about six weeks

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I had a very interesting trip down there

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I was able to work with the Mexican

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Government and had access to a million

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photographs taken from the air over

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Mexico

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and from these I have been able to find

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at least 15

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of what I call extraterrestrial craters

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and possibly a number of other ones

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although the other ones are

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too small to verify from photographs

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taken at high altitudes

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the ones which I have been able to study

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in detail are very large

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the biggest one being about a mile and a

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half across and the smallest one about

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the you know six to eight hundred yards

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I'm quite convinced that this group of

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craters was made by something arriving

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on Earth from space and since the

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geologists tell me that they may not

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have been made by meteors

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to look for other causes as well as

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players

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it's my opinion that

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these craters were made at the time when

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the continent of Atlantis was destroyed

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and that the entire Caribbean Sea and

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Gulf of Mexico area results from an

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impact of exhibits large

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group of objects from space or from a

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comet and that this physical evidence

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which I am uncovering in and near Mexico

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and around the

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Caribbean Gulf of Mexico area

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represents the the physical

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free and results of the cataclysm which

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uh Emmanuel velikovski has outlined in

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this three books

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well didn't I hear you say once that you

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thought there was some similarity or

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relationship between

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those and the type of thing that's

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visible on the moon the craters is I can

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make out these craters in Mexico are

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identical and appearance with the

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smaller craters which are just barely

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within the limits of small telescopes

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which are seen with large telescopes

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there are many many thousands of craters

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on the moon that range in size from a

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half a mile to five or ten miles in

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diameter and these craters are you might

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say laboratory specimens of what exists

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on the moon not only that but a large

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number of them are in

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geographical areas in Mexico which look

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just like the areas on the moon or these

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little craters appear

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and makes an environmentally

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surroundings exactly of the same nature

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as those on the moon including the

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desert or semi desert

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conditions so that they the critters

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could be associated with as long as

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Traders one way or another well where

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did I hear that hint that these craters

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might possibly be some kind of hangers

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for flying sausages

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it could be I have considered that I

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haven't found any conclusive evidence

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for anything like that but on the other

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hand I have not had much time to spend

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in the field certainly they are not

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being used for that purpose at present

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because there are people all around them

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and right anything like that was going

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on it would be known that there are

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rumors that the craters down on the

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border of Guatemala and Mexico are being

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used to that purpose and I think Wilkins

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has reported that in one of his books oh

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yeah

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well I am I've got your new book today

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about the UFO in the Bible well that's

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just the curtinizer to problem of you as

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a whole in the Bible I've had time to

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read only the introduction and I think

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that is beautifully written if the rest

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of it is like that it's going to be

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really worthwhile

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for the rest of it is more Analytical in

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the introduction it was very difficult

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to present problem of such magnitude or

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even to outline a problem of such

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magnitude in a short little book like

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this in fact this book was written as a

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chapter in the expanding case for the

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UFO horse will be out probably in

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September or October

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but the Publishers liked the little

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story about The Bible so well that they

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decided they would just lift it out and

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make a separate book of it so I wrote

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the introductions after they had done

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that

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actually I have not tried to

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cover the so-called classic Bible

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references such as ezekiel's wheel for

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instance or the

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taking of Elijah to heaven and a private

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Chariot or whatever it may have been

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but I have tried more to uh

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I have to take a philosophical View and

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to interpret the spirit of what the

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Bible has to convey to us rather to set

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the stage for what which is to come

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selected as text if I may use the

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preacher's term

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the selected the 13th chapter of Saint

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it would seemed to me to cover in a very

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brief form uh almost all

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possible phases of UFO and space life

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activity

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and I view this as a cross-section and

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just as a sort of a preparation for

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other work

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in fact I'm not

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continuing the world right now how many

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more books did you say are in the office

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I would say that three more books on the

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Bible is the minimum in which I can

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cover all of the

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UFO material which I see in the Bible

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as I'm reading it today

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and the UFO annual is that coming out

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again have we not sure Citadel told me

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to go ahead collecting material I just

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heard Drummond this past week this week

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that there certainly will be another

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uh volume of this kind they're not sure

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whether they want to make it an annual

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or biennial but uh has to make anything

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I feel sure it would be an annual

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because by annual doesn't make any sense

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at all it's not current enough

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well this is practically your life What

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Now isn't it well I'm not doing anything

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else at the moment

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well the subject owns us it's it's so so

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much bigger than we are I don't blame

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you well that's certainly the truth this

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the subject takes hold of you and

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and basically become a slave yeah

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it's a little hard to explain but once

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you get into it you recognize the length

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of the breadth and the depth of it to a

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point where it is not only amazing but

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perhaps a falling as well

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I was interested in your view where we

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were talking about a little while ago

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and it is philosophical picture

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it's uh it wasn't too bright the way you

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put it but I guess we can all agree that

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whether A New Concept will straighten it

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out

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or not I don't know I have a friend that

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I correspond with in Arizona who says

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it's already too late that the human

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race is beyond saving I think that

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there's a little bit on the pessimistic

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and if I didn't think it was as much I

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don't think I would waste waste time

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writing books because it wouldn't be

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worth the effort well sometimes I'm

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overwhelmed at what

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lamb has gone through science and the

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terrific accomplishments there's just

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some something there about a moral

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nature that doesn't get straightened out

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and I wonder if this new new dimension

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that we're facing whatever it is

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will uh perhaps be a means of getting us

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in Balance again I think there is a

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possibility of exactly that

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certainly is true that also the 20th

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century and perhaps slightly before the

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beginning of the 20th century the

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science has been running ahead of the

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man in the street and in the past

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has been widening

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but seriously and in the past 10 years

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they've been widening at a very alarming

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rate because it's been said that Isaac

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Newton was the last human being who

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would ever know all the science of his

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time and that was probably a true but

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I don't know hardly what can be done

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about it it seems that once if you try

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to talk about slowing science up uh

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immediately everybody screams that

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you're impeding progress and maybe

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they're right and I think sometimes with

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actually know that we aren't truly

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progressing it's certainly true that

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science

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has to set up a vast

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framework of the material or purely

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mechanical

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phases of the world we live in and as

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far as science has gone it has pretty

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much

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proved its points and and Consolidated

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its gains but science is just as bigoted

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today and just as arrogant as the church

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was in the dark and Middle Ages and for

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the church overlooked

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what most of us consider to be reality

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science is in turn overlooking all of

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the Emilio of the spiritual values and I

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think both of them have missed both what

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we need is a great synthesis I think

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that is exactly right and I'm writing

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these books about the Bible precisely

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that in mind that we should perhaps

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start another school of thought

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which will consolidate

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but both religion and science have given

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us from the past

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we don't do something like and do it

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very very quickly but the human race is

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just going to fall apart

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for lack of death

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I'm sure we can't stop science but the

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momentum is going too fast but it's uh

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puts a great responsibility on the few

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to have vision and who have a

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synthesizing view of this thing

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try to get it in line

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I think your your books are going to

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play a big part in this because I know

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how sincere you are and I also have to

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know that you're what I call a warmly

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and that being a real astronomer too

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there's not only too many of those in

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this field

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I know there aren't any other ones in

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the field except Mansell and there's

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anything completely negative way so yeah

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somebody's got to get in and and offset

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and what team has to say on the subject

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yeah I was gonna keep on being lopsided

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in the matter Mr Jeff I'd like to ask

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you a few questions okay getting back to

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your current uh research on the UFO in

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the Bible uh rough figures just about

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how many references would you say exist

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in the King James version of the

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Christian Bible today so I haven't made

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an analytical study all the way through

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the Bible yet I have friends covered in

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an intense way so far the

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Five Books of Moses and

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just in this part of the Bible there

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certainly are hundreds of either direct

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or indirect references to a UFO or

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related phenomena

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I wouldn't want to be quoted on how many

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they actually are in the Bible because

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they're sure that I am quoted somebody

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will go out and count them and his

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interpretation of what the UFO reference

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will differ from mine until all about

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the Bible and I do perhaps and so with

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him up with two different things but

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certainly directly and indirectly there

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must be thousands of literally thousands

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with the references in the Bible would

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you say that divide equally between the

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Old Testament the New Testament does or

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do the large amount of fighting scenes

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that occur in the Old Testament I don't

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think I have

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um yet confident to answer that question

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quantitatively

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from what I have seen of the Old

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Testament

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the references are just tremendous

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I think also the Old Testament being

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much longer work that even if you have

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the same

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number of references per chapter or book

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that the weight of it would be in favor

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of the Old Testament

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and I don't think you'll answer that yes

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until I've completed this study and I

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think it'll take me a year to complete

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it so

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for a long time long have you had or do

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you anticipate any criticism from

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organized theology in any way at all any

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criticism of your books and I'm buying a

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real estate inside of one of these

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the questions about your recent trip to

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Mexico

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you mentioned something about uh

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pictures you had been examining have you

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been looking at pictures of actual UFO

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phenomena or mostly this was a

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connection with the Creator study it was

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The Mexican government is very

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cooperative and very sympathetic to his

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research and then whether it's a UFO or

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or any any type of research and the

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government to unofficially but very

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kindly made available to me a whole room

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for

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an area of photographs on which I can

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search for new examples of the equators

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and study there and geographical

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location with respect to each other some

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of these photographs will undoubtedly in

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the long run contribute to a solution of

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what caused the craters and how long

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they've been there and whether or not

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they have any use to us or anything

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time I say work is very preliminary and

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it was only towards the very end of my

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trip that I did succeed in getting this

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very kind and cooperation from the

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government down there and without

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climbed into

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a complete a total of eight out of the

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15 if I know about

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and I personally am thoroughly convinced

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from the photographs and from this very

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quick field work that they were caused

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instead of UFO that that is correct I

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did not go to Mexico to

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primarily to study UFO I went for two

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purposes one was vacation from riding

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and all this heavy

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pondering and Analysis so for this type

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of writing and to get up and they open

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and check into my creators which I

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hadn't visited for about four years

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would you care to make any comment about

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UFO activity in Mexico in general any

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conversations you might have had down

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there indirectly as a result of your

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trip I didn't have manic conversations

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directly about UFO I found uh I'm

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talking with three or four different

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people that the officials of the Mexican

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Government are very much concerned about

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this problem and much more willing to

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talk about it than the officials of some

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other governments that one last name

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and the snow ciphers are much more

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open-minded I found the staff of La

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Panther for instance the largest

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circulation newspaper in Mexico to be

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intensely interested in this problem and

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as soon as they knew of my interest in

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Mexico and craters and then the UFO

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I was dragged around through this big

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building and introduced from to

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everybody from the elevator probably on

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up to the owner in the managing editor I

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might say also that Clemente has bought

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the Mexican rights for the case for the

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UFO and I saw the Spanish translation

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also the cover for the book and it

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should be of the person Spanish for them

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since you have made it quite clear that

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most of your activity in Mexico was with

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other direct activities than UFO do you

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care to say anything in conclusion for

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this tape in regards to finance officers

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in general all over the world any recent

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observations on your part you care to

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speak about I get family of course all

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the time and not as much perhaps as some

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of the writers are dealing are more in

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current sightings but I've been getting

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another influx of mail since the annual

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came out and while they seems to have

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been allowed in sightings this law is

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partly due to a lack of reporting

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facilities rather than an actual absence

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of the UFO activity and I think it's

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more

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urgent to the than it's ever been before

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at a worldwide recording system they set

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up and a centralized Clearinghouse the

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organized so that if the governments are

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going to

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put pressure on

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your arms near the whole field into a

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ridiculous state that those who really

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know what's going on can get the

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information even my clipping service

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doesn't give me complete coverage I

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didn't get one single quipping for the

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big sightings in Cincinnati last August

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from the clipping service and I would

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honestly like to see some organization

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all right I'd like to see it and if it's

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going to be suppressed or discouraged in

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this country I'd like to see it set up

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in Mexico or before really open-minded

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about it well looking so that this

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government or England will never tell

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but never is a long time I think that we

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might smoke them out eventually he says

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it's up to up to the civilians oh I

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think that's right

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well I understand you have acquired the

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name of Uncle UFO or something like that

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haven't you well

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somebody has called me old man UFO but

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the man is getting to be a little and

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disappeared in the family circles

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well anyway I think you hold a very big

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place in this research

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well I'm trying to supply the background

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which will make the work of other people

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less radical or less objectionable to

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the public in general if I can show that

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these sightings with other people are

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reporting And discussing and things

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particularly the wonderful job that the

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major Keyhole has done in bringing the

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current activities to the front if I can

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supply the virtual background data and

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shows not only this whole activity

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logical but that it's real and I've been

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here for a long time I think I will

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observed perhaps uh all the purpose that

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one person has any right to well I think

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you will have served a big purpose uh

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we're all on on this is process of this

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thing have you noticed Paradise uh we

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all contribute something just a little

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different from a great deal more than

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others I think Mr kazaya's chart here is

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unique certainly is it to be a good

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piece of reference work to for any

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researcher to have on his wall after all

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times well I'm very happy we could have